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tpolks
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tpolks

In many states, gas taxes (not income tax) were introduced to pay for the roads. There is a tendency to take money from this fund for other things unrelated to roads. I know lots of people (at least in Michigan) that are upset with this situation.

In addition to this, state lottery income is usually intended to help pay for schools (in addition to property taxes). This is always being put into the general fund to pay for things unrelated to education.

youngredditor
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youngredditor

They’re not “driving” they’re “traveling” /s

StatistDestroyer
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StatistDestroyer

It’s called private roads, geniuses.

Bad_Spellar
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Bad_Spellar

1) the bottom 50% of the people in the US pay no net income tax (but generally pay OASDI payroll tax, 0% of which goes for roads). I suspect those aren’t the people OP is bitching about.

2) Is becoming a soapbox of mine: Over two-thirds of the federal budget is transfer payments/ welfare for the poor. About 20% is military and about 7% is interest on the debt. So 68% + 20% + 7% = 95% meaning the things we think of as government

ROADS plus FBI; CIA; ATF; EPA; DoJ; Do Energy; HUD; NLRB; FCC; IRS; Treasury; OSHA; B of land management; B of Indian affairs; Federal Parks; Federal Museums; Prisons; Courts; Congress; Education; Highways; Airports; Ports; Foreign Aid; etc. is basically an after thought

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/322-trillion-federal-programs-transfer-income-projected-hit-record-fy20

1doublezero
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1doublezero

The number of people who think you don’t have roads if you don’t tax is too damn high!

surfzz318
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surfzz318

Most roads are covered by gas taxes.

Itsascrnnam
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Itsascrnnam

I’m late but I’ll jump in anyway, you do realize the average libertarian isn’t preaching zero taxes, right? They are preaching cutting out the unnecessary spending so we can fund things like roads and infrastructure without having to tax so much. We could try to spend less on bombing poor countries and lining politicians pockets. The whole “muh roads” argument is so reductive and uneducated.

JasminAGus
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JasminAGus

I voted on city bonds yesterday (I’m a millennial) and they were pretty good bonds, but I was telling my bf that a better system would be for annually during tax season, a US citizen should choose what their taxes will go to for the year. If people don’t choose their taxes will default to all or something, but then you could have a better idea what your helping with. I know more than likely if this happened the government would be an ass and still use it for whatever they wanted but then this way we could feel better. I just really, really don’t want my money to go to anything military 🤷‍♀️

IPredictAReddit
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IPredictAReddit

Just gonna remind the “but I pay gas taxes, so it should pay for the roads!” crowd that federal gas taxes (cents per gallon) have declined in real terms by about 70% since the 1980s when they were last updated, *and* cars have gotten more fuel-efficient, so the roads that were paid for in 1980 by gas taxes *by definition* are not being paid for by today’s extremely-low gas tax.

Also, at the federal level, total spending on roads is about equal to the revenue from gas taxes. Your state may vary.

ZumboPrime
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ZumboPrime

Libertarianism is great!

… So long as all the infrastructure and support systems already exist, paid for by everyone else.

bukithd
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bukithd

I’d be happy if i could just pick what my taxes paid for.

BeetleLord
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BeetleLord

The number of people who pretend that roads are an unsolvable problem without government… is too damn high!

The number of people who are OK with paying 50% their income in taxes in exchange for 1-2% of it going into services they actually use… is too damn high!

The percentage of our taxes going to fund absolutely destructive policies that are destroying civilization… is too damn high!

Honestly, this is one of the stupidest possible arguments for taxes.

auchboi
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auchboi

The number of people that don’t work and want student debt forgiven is too damn high.

ChiefZedd
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ChiefZedd

You’re right, that’s not how it works

atkinson62
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atkinson62

I think people are complaining about pay to many taxes and no one fixing the roads we drive on. I know while our city waited for the new tax to hit to pay for the roads, the roads just got greatly worse over that time. Now they can’t keep up with the work and the city is paying for auto repairs on blow outs and rim damage.

lookslikeyoureSOL
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lookslikeyoureSOL

Or expect the police to come when they call…or expect the fire dept to show up when their house is burning down….

drunkenjagoff
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drunkenjagoff

I don’t have a problem paying taxes. What I do have a problem with is how that money is used.

Djeff991
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Djeff991

Me and other people in Michigan: Wait, you guys are getting roads?

BlingBlingBlingo
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BlingBlingBlingo

You know what I want? I want the government to take the taxes I pay for roads and spend them on roads. They like to spend the money on other things like bombing other countries first.

SaulGibson
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SaulGibson

If you drive you are buying gas. If you are buying gas you are paying taxes.

fan_of_hakiksexydays
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fan_of_hakiksexydays

Most roads aren’t paid for with your federal income taxes.

In fact most things aren’t paid with federal income taxes. They’re paid with everything from sales tax, property taxes, business taxes, gas taxes (for roads), and hundreds of other taxes…, and even municipal bonds.

If you look up online where your federal taxes go to, they will often just point you to really just the government budget and spending. But a big chunk of that is paid by the deficit though bonds.

And those treasury bonds and other securities have interest that needs to be paid every year. ~$400 billion a year mostly to banks and investors.

That’s what your income tax really pay for along with primarily social security and unemployment, medicare, and military spending. Those are the 4 areas where most of your income taxes go to. The rest gets hardly anything from your tax return.

Unp0pularp0v
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Unp0pularp0v

Apparently you’ve never driven on a well maintained toll road.

People are tired of paying taxes on roads and projects they don’t use.

Our small town just increased our sales tax by 2% to put in a million dollar football field and it represents everything wrong with government spending.

I believe we should get to vote with our money.

Want a new football field? Have fund raisers, count on parents and charities NOT the hard working tax payers who don’t have kids let alone kids that play football. Then the people that want it can contribute directly and the true public interest will dictate the value of the project.

Suddenly the “million dollar” field would actually cost closer to 100,000 dollars since private citizens would have private contractors bid against each other.

But instead the local government gets a bloated bid and puts the excess money in the bank for future improvements aka bonuses.

Want to drive on a nice road? Pay a toll if you use it daily. In fact toll roads are cheaper and better maintained than publicly funded roads.

Have you ever watched county, city or state tax funded crews work? Three men watch while one works. (These are your tax dollars standing around for 15-20 dollars an hour)

Private contractors work faster and cheaper in the long run.

I have friends that work in government funded jobs and they sit around playing cards in the office and slacking off most of the day or finding a shady spot to pull over and play on their phones. Its normalalized and common at these jobs.

That’s what tax dollars at work look like when they are managed by self serving, closed door government overseerers instead of a competitive open market bids and I for one am tired of supporting a bloated, greedy inefficient system.

daddyfatsac
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daddyfatsac

I liked Libertarians better when they were just republicans who smoked pot.

ryannefromTX
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ryannefromTX

Here in Dallas they just privatized all the roads and now it costs $5 each way to get to work on time.

Le_Master
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Le_Master

The government has a monopoly on roads; there is no other option. And anyone who does drive pays taxes in some form. Regardless how stupid you think people like that are, this is a silly argument to make at them.

jaron_b
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jaron_b

Washington State just voted to lower car tabs to $30 which is gonna cause billions of dollars in lost revenue and put many road and transit projects off schedule.

MrJ1NX
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MrJ1NX

I don’t mind paying taxes. By problem is I want them to be fair. Why should I pay more, as middle class, than people who make 1000x more than me. Also, I wish more money went to roads, schools, public needs than wasted on endless bureaucracy.

HeyZuesHChrist
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HeyZuesHChrist

There are tons of things that are paid for by taxes that people who think “socialism is the devil” just don’t understand.

Everybody chips in some money and that is used to provide things that are used by everybody. That’s socialism people.

cresstynuts
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cresstynuts

Tell that to the crumbling infrastructure. Toll roads on my state are the only real maintained roads and it’s owned by a French company.

Bourbon_N_Bullets
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Bourbon_N_Bullets

America’s first highway, and also transcontinental highway in the early 1900s was built and operated entirely through private funds. Proving you don’t need taxes and government money to provide roads.