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NCgayboi
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NCgayboi

I mean at the same time democrats and republicans have done a complete role reversal after the reconstruction era (after the civil war).

leduck1
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leduck1

Tear down all the monuments. Don’t stop at confederates. These are people, not gods, don’t treat them as gods.

Shy_Poke
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Shy_Poke

We can take them down, but can we just not destroy them? Good or bad it’s smart to preserve our history.

ScienceX-007
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ScienceX-007

100% Accurate!

HalfManHalfZuckerbur
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HalfManHalfZuckerbur

Someone explain this to Kanye west

zak_on_reddit
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zak_on_reddit

Reminds me of one of my favorite recent jokes:

*”Did you hear the government is banning participation trophies?*”

*”They’ll start taking down all Confederate statues next week.”*

Kylden_Ar_Returns
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Kylden_Ar_Returns

Well, my heritage is burning down half the south then. One of my distant ancestors was a Union General (General [Hooker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Hooker) though it’s not really a proud part of the family history).

Activist4America
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Activist4America

The I deology’s of the conservative slave owners never changed, only their party changed.

BitRunner67
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BitRunner67

Traitors are in AMERICAN history afterall..

Crime-Stoppers
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Crime-Stoppers

that’s what happens when someone has nothing interesting about them

pjr032
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pjr032

Confederate monuments are the participation trophies of the Civil War

crispy48867
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crispy48867

If your heritage was fighting a war against the United States, maybe you should try to hide those symbols in shame or leave this country.

lunaonfireismycat
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lunaonfireismycat

Uhhh cuz the names of the parties switched around the time after the civil war. Its still the same party that owned slaves that are the Republicans today.

And yea I know many of both parties owned slaves but it was overwhelmingly today republicans (then democrats)

DataIsLikeAnOnion
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DataIsLikeAnOnion

Where do you think the Dixiecrats moved to once they got pushed out of the Democrats?

SotaSkoldier
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SotaSkoldier

If you believe modern Democrats are the racists of the civil war your history teacher really whitewashed the Civil War for you.

The United Daughters of the Confederacy were founded in 1894. Their mission was to “preserve culture.” “Preserve culture” is not specifically in their doctrine, but it is a catch all for a bunch of statements that equate to stating exactly that. Build social and political clout to rewrite history. They plastered monuments for confederate soldiers all around the south. If you see one anywhere in the south today is is about 95% likely it was due in some part to the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Their entire mission was to have folks believe that:

1. Confederate fight was heroic.
2. Enslaved people were happy and were even treated well.
3. Slavery was not the root cause of the war.

Before we delve deeper it is crucially important to understand that the vast majority of confederate monuments in the south put up by UDC monuments were created well after the Civil War as most civil war veterans were or had already died. You are welcome to do your own research on this, but you will find that almost all of them were commissioned 30+ years after and the majority of them even longer than that.

“***Confederate fight was heroic***”. First let’s get some irrefutable facts out of the way which alone prove that the confederate fight was not a heroic one but rather about power and controlling the country as a whole:

* Prior to the 1850s the federal government was controlled by the south.
* They, since they controlled the government, were the ones who refused to sign any mutual search treaties with the british which enabled slavers to move freely between Africa and America even though the slave trade had been outlawed.
* After America formally outlawed slave trading it was only still prevalent in the south. Look up the stories of the Wanderer, Echo (Putnim) and Clotilda ships.
* The south was so invested in keeping power they even at one point wanted to take over Cuba to gain two states and 4 more senators because they foresaw losing the senate to the Republican north in the near future.

“**Enslaved people were happy and were even treated well.**”

That entire notion is based around many garbage writings and recollections at the time like the ones in the Charleston Mercury that folks have treated as though it was written by slaves themselves. It was not–obviously. The Mercury had a single writer and editor who was Henry L. Pinckney. A politician who was a nullifier. Do you know what the[ nullifier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullifier_Party) party stood for? Let me tell you.

“*The Nullifier Party was a* [*states’ rights*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States%27_rights)*, pro-slavery party that supported the* [*Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_and_Virginia_Resolutions)*, holding that states could nullify federal laws within their borders and that slavery should remain legal.*”

It almost seems as though there is a conflict of interest here. A pro-slave trade nullifier writes an article about how well slaves are treated in a paper that he is the owner and soul writer/editor of? Would that fly today? Hell to the no it wouldn’t. Not only that, but when slaves were brought to America they were often dropped off in Cuba then taken to Fort Sumter.

The slave handler there wrote about how weak the slaves were upon arrival from the brutal mistreatment they endured when they were kidnapped and taken to this country. There are documented writings the the Putnim and Clotilda ships literally smelled like death upon arrival to port. They would have 400+folks on board at departure and have 150-200 on arrival. The rest were thrown overboard.

“**Slavery was** **not** **the root cause of the war.**”

Lets ignore the fact that the “Cornerstone Speech took place. That inconvenient little oration by Alexander H. Stephens, the vice president of the confederacy, where he said:

[“*Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.*”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech)

Let’s pretend for a moment that totally didn’t happen.

This still doesn’t even need citations to prove that it is absolutely nonsense. Saying slavery didn’t cause the civil war is like saying that getting shot with a gun doesn’t kill you–bloodloss and trauma kills you. It is comically stupid. Saying it was about “states rights” is stupid as well considering multiple secession declarations stated they wanted to join the other states in support of slave ownership. So at best it was about states rights…to own slaves….

America was built on slaves both North and South. But the North eventually tried to put an end to it with the rest of the civilized world at that time. The South were the only part of the nation who tried to nullify federal laws and continued to secretly enable slave trade for decades after the nation had agreed to stop it.

The south wanted to keep control of the federal government so they did not have to change their way of life which was dirt cheap labor at the hands of enslaved people. That is irrefutable fact. So you and others can say that slavery wasn’t the root cause of the civil war all you like. While they succeeded over not wanting a bunch of yankees telling them what to do it absolutely correct. What the yankees were telling them to stop doing was owning god damn slaves.

“*The Lost Cause*” education that The United Daughters of the Confederacy have tried to peddle to anyone who would listen is bullshit from top to bottom. They can try to say they are the party of Lincoln and freeing slaves all they like, but at the end of the day they are full of shit and so is “*The Lost Cause*” If you take America and split it between north and south. The south has 100/100 times been part of the country that was infested with racism to a much greater level than the rest of the nation. That is still true to this damn day. You can remove Democrat and Republican from the equation. Regardless of party the south has always been the part of the country that most closely votes with racism. No I am not saying only the south is racist or even that all in the south are racist. I am saying that the concentration of citizens who vote with racist intentions has and is predominantly located in the south. No amount of retro history is going to make that fact go away so you might as well stop trying to spew that trash.

vipl0ve
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vipl0ve

I believe in law of equal exchange –

If you want to retain this part of your history/heritage then you should pay compensation to everyone who were impacted by all the wrong doings including at least 2-3 generations of African Americans and Native Indians. #capitalism.

pauly13771377
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pauly13771377

Me* shoots a racist fuck with Confederate flag

That can’t be illegal it’s part of my heritage as a Northerner!

Jackpot777
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Jackpot777

As a Yankee living in the north of the UNITED States of America, it’s my right to burn down traitorous Confederate towns and cities. I see a Confed flag flying, I burn that motherfucker and the house or warehouse or whorehouse it’s attached to right down to the ground. I should be legally allowed to do it too as it was government policy in the 1860s, which is history.

Burning Confederate buildings is a proud Yankee tradition. It’s heritage, not hate.

Muddy_Asshole
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Muddy_Asshole

Just ask them if losers deserve participation trophies.

yobarisuschatel
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yobarisuschatel

Didn’t democrats and republicans kinda swap in the middle of history?

alt_right_troll_farm
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alt_right_troll_farm

Let’s be real: If your white ancestors lived in the South in the first half of the 19th century and didn’t own slaves, it most likely wasn’t because they didn’t want to, it was because they couldn’t afford to.

It took many Southerners over 100 years after the Civil War to even accept that their black countrymen were even humans worthy of equal rights, and they fought any attempt to give them legal protections tooth and nail. Hell, some of these southerners *still* don’t see them as people. Of they’ve replaced “the blacks” with “the Mexicans”, “the Hispanics”, or “the illegals” (in their mind, all Hispanics are “the illegals”.

VinceClortho138
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VinceClortho138

Republicans: We freed the slaves!

Democrats: Jesus, that’s how far back you have to go to find the last time Republicans ever did something good for black people?

SalisburyWitch
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SalisburyWitch

I think all the DOC statues need to come down. Not because of the Civil war but because of what those statues have become – a Mecca for racists and anti-American hoodlums. If no one reacted to them, we could legitimately say heritage – history forgotten often happens again. But when you add people who worship that person in the statue, you attack the reason the war was fought and that they lost, and more importantly, that these same people are calling for it to happen again.

pneuma8828
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pneuma8828

Remember, remember, the 10th of November, and Sherman’s march to the sea;

I can think of no reason the banner of treason should fly in the land of the free.

HairyPslams
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HairyPslams

Why do conservatives love slavery?

I would never want to own a human being. There are NO benefits to being a slave owner. Nor is there any pride in such an act.

The only reason is that you just love the idea of exploiting a human being – which is what every other conservative ideal is all about.

Exadory
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Exadory

My right wing coworker shouted about the individual mandate in Obamacare for months so finally I asked him what he thinks they should have done…..his response……..”single payer healthcare, not some democratic scheme to tax us” I almost screamed about the entire idea being a republican idea and democrats wanted single payer, instead I just said “oh” and walked out of the room. I can’t deal with them. I really can’t.

CarlSpencer
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CarlSpencer

Your heritage is loserdom?

Scorpio83G
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Scorpio83G

How sad is it to be so desperate for an heritage you don’t even care what you’re getting